Christ and Cutlery, and the tools of Noah.

 

There is a thread on the forums right now, about if/what Christ would have carried, a knife, or a sword, or anything else EDC for that matter.

http://edcforums.com/threads/ancient-edc-what-did-they-carry.127086/

A knife? probably… As one person pointed out,

tooiewah said on EDCF 

In John 21:9-10 it speaks of a fire of coals with fish and bread on it, then Jesus tells Peter to bring some of the fish they just caught; so unless He cooked them without cleaning, He would have used a knife to clean the fish and cut the bread.

If nothing esle, he had to have had a carving blade, and chissels, after all he was a trained carpenter.

 

Into peace yes, But also, He was not against the use of force when needed( over turned tables in the temple in Matt 21:12) And when He went traveling with the deciples, he did tell them to bring swords, and that for any man that couldn’t afford a sword, for him to sell his cloak and buy a sword… (Luke 22:36) So he did consider it to be important to be carrying the common weapon of the time– one explanation I have heard for this was so that they would blend in, because all men traveling would have carried swords… But blending in and not standing out from the world around them was never really what Christ and the Deciples tried to do… πŸ˜‰ So I do believe he was carrying a sword at that time, and not just for show.

From the Bible, the verse I mention above; Luke, chapter 22, verse 36;

Then said He(Christ) unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

I’d say yest on both counts, sword and knife.

 

That discussion got me to thinking about a project I’ve been working on lately, some research I’ve been trying to do. I typed this up to post there, to ask one person about it, since she says whe has studied and researched a lot of Bibilcal hilstory and archeology in her life… Figure I’ll take all the help I can get on this one πŸ˜‰ 

And since I just typed it all upa anyway, I might as well add it here too. πŸ™‚

a slight preface to this post; I take biblical history of the earth Literally. Its what I believe, a part of my christian faith is the bible being a 100% accurate history of the world…  Thus a little quest/reseach project I have been working on,which includes some conflicts in biblical and popular/secular world history;

Noah and the Ark.

Blade Girl said on EDCF; …about the Bible because that is what I know most and the area of my research and expertise..I have studied Bible prophecy and archaeology since I was a kid..seriously.

Blade Girl said on EDCF; We know that when Noah built the Ark, he would have HAD to have tools.

Thats something I’ve been trying to look into, a little project I have now…

Noah and the Ark, and Noahs tools. 
Any insight or ideas you might have would be most welcome! πŸ™‚

(my appologies of this is a little long and rambling, and possibly hard to follow… Its been a long Sunday already, and this is the first time I’ve tried to type this up, to structure it to explain it to someone… :oops: )

Little background on where I’m coming at this from, and why;

We recently had a guest speaker do a sermon on Noah, and I learned a lot more than I previously knew about the time spans involved, his age, when he started it, when it was finished etc.

One of the sermons concepts was trusting God for that long; One illustration being Everyday getting up, grabbing your saw and heading out to cut wood to build with… for a Long time!  

Being a gear nut, cutlery nut and knifemaker, and also someone that cuts a Lot of wood every year, that naturally got me to thinking about the tools of that time period, and what they would have been…  The idea for me has boiled down to doing a lot of research where-ever I can, and a plan to make a small knife like Noah might have used in those days… (I’m a knife maker anyway, so this is the natural progression for me :cool:) 

Anyway,  do you know of any information on the tools/basic technology, or metalurgy in use for that time–  IE; pre flood(for which there is no known history as far as I know) or in the years close to post-flood?

The bible timeline puts the start of the flood at roughly 2348 BC, or about 4359 years ago. 

 

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-timeline/timeline-for-the-flood/

Common/secular time lines place that time period, the 2300s BC,  in that part of the world (assumedly the middle east–big assumption, but Most biblical history takes place in that area so its a fair assumption IMO) to be in the early bronze age… The “Old Kingdom” era of the ancient Egyptian empire. A mix of bronze and stone tools still in use.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age

 BUT those time lines Do Not take into account the biblical age of the earth, or the flood happening at all…

 

Biblically(as I understand it) the flood wiped out all civilization prior to it happening, other than what survived on the ark… So any technology/tools in use prior to the flood would have survived on the ark…

But secular history doesn’t count the flood as having happened, and has a bronze age running straight through that time span, with several cultures with long running histories before that time period in earths history, from before when the flood was to have occured, and continuing after the time that would be the end of the flood…

So should I follow that what the technology was for that time period in secular history,–

(from just after when the flood ended, assuming some accuracy of the archeological finds of things from that time period after the flood onward, even if the history believed to be true before it is in-accurate)

— is also the real technology of the time just after the flood?

So, there is my project, as far as I am right now.  IF I decide to use the secular bronze age history as a close enough remembrance of post flood days and technology brought forward on the ark, then my next step is to research what would be common small knife styles from that time perriod in as many countries/cultures as possible, and pick something fairly common, to replicate… IF there is any information available, for instance on tools from the “Old Kindom” era in Egypt.

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  1. Weston

    I am no expert, so take it with a grain of salt:
    1. A lot of dating of material from “ancient” times is actually circular. Meaning, since they found a ‘bronze’ tool, they conclude it must be from the ‘bronze age’, unless it has more “modern” identifiers.
    2. Often, tools are can be dated by the fossils around them. This article has some great scientific backing to show that carbon dating (used on the bones) does not work properly, and that dinosaurs bones usually date less than 16000 years old. http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html
    3. In Gen. 4:22, Tubal-cain, who was born before Noah, was “an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron”. So Iron tools were also available at this time.
    Good luck on your quest.

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